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So this preview for next week's Batgirl has been floating around (3 non-spoilery pages), and um adorable art aside, I don't think it is as great as people are acting like it is!

It's page two that is pissing me off right now.

This version of the story, narrated by Steph, ignores the fact that Steph was ever Robin. It's bad enough when other characters do that, but Steph herself?! When Steph does show up (in her own story!) it's as a girl with a ridiculous (unrequited, those are broken hearts crush on Robin. I mean, sure, I get that that's how the world saw her, but you'll never convince me that's how she ever saw herself.

...And it also ignores Cass completely. Y'know, Cass Cain? Remember her? Steph's best friend?!

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No, you seemed to be confusing them, by saying that Post-Crisis, Babs wasn't Batgirl. The Betty Kane Bat-Girl just plain didn't exist after the Crisis. (Neither did Kara Zor-El or Helena Wayne.) But Batgirl did. Saying she didn't because she was no longer active into the late 80s and beyond is like saying Bruce and Dick's parents "didn't exist" after the crisis because they only appear in flashbacks and don't actively effect the story.

And yes, you are correct. Far worse things have happened to Cass than Horrocks' run. It was not meant to be an insult to everything Horrocks has ever written; the "Batgirl and Robin" issue (I think it's #53 or thereabouts) is actually one of my favourite comics ever.

But Barbara Gordon calling Cass Cain "stupid" should never have happened.

'But Barbara Gordon calling Cass Cain "stupid" should never have happened.'
Er, what? Cass had 53 issues to learn how to read - Babs was right calling her stupid.

She lived with a librarian who works closely with a high school teacher, neither of whom apparently paid enough attention to her reading level to notice she didn't even know the alphabet. Also, she's a character with severe learning disabilities which stem from parental abuse. Was she just supposed to magically figure out how to read all on her own? Maybe find another psychic to mess with her head?

'She lived with a librarian who works closely with a high school teacher, neither of whom apparently paid enough attention to her reading level to notice she didn't even know the alphabet. Also, she's a character with severe learning disabilities which stem from parental abuse.'
*facepalm* Oracle has better things to do than asking someone how to read books.

Oracle is responsible for Cass' well-being. While no legal adoption had taken place-- probably because legally Cass doesn't exist-- I don't think it's a far stretch to say Babs is acting as a surrogate mother-figure.

If you're a mother, and your child doesn't have a skill that could save her life, and it's a skill that you have the ability to (attempt to) teach her and/or the resources to get someone else to help teach her, and you choose not to do so, it's not the CHILD that's behaved stupidly here.

'Oracle is responsible for Cass' well-being.'
Cass is a ninja - why would she need someone to ask about her well-being? You seem to think that Oracle should use all her resources to fix Cass at the expense of everyone else.

I almost never say this because it is a really awful thing to tell someone, but good god I hope you don't have kids.

'I almost never say this because it is a really awful thing to tell someone, but good god I hope you don't have kids.'
And what does the above comment have to do with your dislike for Horrocks?

It doesn't, it has to do with my dislike of YOU.

You are coming off as not just a jerk to me (the way you are saying things) but a terrible person in general (the things you are saying).

It is NOT okay for a parent to call their child stupid, ESPECIALLY when that child has severe learning disabilities. I've dealt with your deliberate obtuseness, derailing/redirection, and colossal point-missing for longer than I probably should, but I can't continue "civil debate" with someone who disagrees with the above concept.

'You are coming off as not just a jerk to me (the way you are saying things) but a terrible person in general (the things you are saying).'
Excuse me? I'm not the one going around posting things like "Goddammit Horrocks". And Babs said the word 'stupid' once during his run.

I'm sorry your morals are literally so corrupt that you think a fan expressing distaste with a comic book is worse than A PARENT CALLING THEIR DISABLED CHILD STUPID, but please get the fuck off my blog. I am not going to respond to you any more, any further disgusting anon comments will be deleted.

Now you can go and tell your troll friends you won the argument, if you like, asshole.

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You may have missed the memo, but it's my fucking blog and that means I get to decide what goes on it.

If you had signed a name and linked to your own blog, maybe we could be having this discussion in your space where you were in charge of the discourse

But you didn't, we're not. My blog, I am queen here. Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out. I am beyond sick of talking to you. I have anon comments on so that people who can't make a DW account can still join the conversation, not so people can shit all over the page.

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There. Done.

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