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Nov. 5th, 2010 07:36 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
So this preview for next week's Batgirl has been floating around (3 non-spoilery pages), and um adorable art aside, I don't think it is as great as people are acting like it is!



It's page two that is pissing me off right now.
This version of the story, narrated by Steph, ignores the fact that Steph was ever Robin. It's bad enough when other characters do that, but Steph herself?! When Steph does show up (in her own story!) it's as a girl with a ridiculous (unrequited, those are broken hearts crush on Robin. I mean, sure, I get that that's how the world saw her, but you'll never convince me that's how she ever saw herself.
...And it also ignores Cass completely. Y'know, Cass Cain? Remember her? Steph's best friend?!



It's page two that is pissing me off right now.
This version of the story, narrated by Steph, ignores the fact that Steph was ever Robin. It's bad enough when other characters do that, but Steph herself?! When Steph does show up (in her own story!) it's as a girl with a ridiculous (unrequited, those are broken hearts crush on Robin. I mean, sure, I get that that's how the world saw her, but you'll never convince me that's how she ever saw herself.
...And it also ignores Cass completely. Y'know, Cass Cain? Remember her? Steph's best friend?!
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Date: 2011-02-20 01:57 am (UTC)I objected to those stories, they made me quite angry, and I expressed that with my words. All three "official" Batgirls mean a great deal to me, and stories that I feel disrespected and misrepresented those characters do not, to me, deserve to be treated with kid gloves. I swear a lot. I do. In every day conversation, in all kinds of situations. I swear like a fucking sailor. That is not likely to change any time soon.
I would say that no disrespect was meant to Mr. Horrocks, but actually, it kind of was.
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Date: 2011-02-20 10:36 am (UTC)That does not mean you had to use the word you did as a response.
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Date: 2011-02-23 07:06 am (UTC)I'm not sure where you're getting the word 'three' from - Babs hadn't been Batgirl since COIE, IIRC.
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Date: 2011-02-23 04:23 pm (UTC)Or have you read a single Oracle story that implies that she started out just as Oracle without having been a Bat first? Because I would like to see that story!
Many, many BoP stories, parts of Nightwing and Cass' Batgirl series (with which I assume you are familiar, as that's part of what started this conversation), Babs' early Oracle appearances in Suicide Squad, Batman: No Man's Land, Gotham Knights...
All across the board, these books discuss Babs as a former Batgirl. Even if the exact stories in which she was Batgirl are in that nebulous Bronze Age continuity "maybe", the fact that she was Batgirl is not actually up for dispute in the way it is for Betty/Bette Kane.
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Date: 2011-02-24 11:07 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-02-24 04:40 pm (UTC)And yes, you are correct. Far worse things have happened to Cass than Horrocks' run. It was not meant to be an insult to everything Horrocks has ever written; the "Batgirl and Robin" issue (I think it's #53 or thereabouts) is actually one of my favourite comics ever.
But Barbara Gordon calling Cass Cain "stupid" should never have happened.
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Date: 2011-02-26 10:38 am (UTC)Er, what? Cass had 53 issues to learn how to read - Babs was right calling her stupid.
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Date: 2011-02-26 10:43 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-02-27 07:16 am (UTC)*facepalm* Oracle has better things to do than asking someone how to read books.
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Date: 2011-02-27 05:39 pm (UTC)If you're a mother, and your child doesn't have a skill that could save her life, and it's a skill that you have the ability to (attempt to) teach her and/or the resources to get someone else to help teach her, and you choose not to do so, it's not the CHILD that's behaved stupidly here.
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Date: 2011-03-05 05:16 am (UTC)Cass is a ninja - why would she need someone to ask about her well-being? You seem to think that Oracle should use all her resources to fix Cass at the expense of everyone else.
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Date: 2011-03-05 05:26 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-03-05 01:43 pm (UTC)And what does the above comment have to do with your dislike for Horrocks?
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Date: 2011-03-05 04:40 pm (UTC)You are coming off as not just a jerk to me (the way you are saying things) but a terrible person in general (the things you are saying).
It is NOT okay for a parent to call their child stupid, ESPECIALLY when that child has severe learning disabilities. I've dealt with your deliberate obtuseness, derailing/redirection, and colossal point-missing for longer than I probably should, but I can't continue "civil debate" with someone who disagrees with the above concept.
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Date: 2011-03-05 11:17 pm (UTC)Excuse me? I'm not the one going around posting things like "Goddammit Horrocks". And Babs said the word 'stupid' once during his run.
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Date: 2011-03-06 01:40 am (UTC)Now you can go and tell your troll friends you won the argument, if you like, asshole.
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Date: 2011-03-06 06:20 am (UTC)If you had signed a name and linked to your own blog, maybe we could be having this discussion in your space where you were in charge of the discourse
But you didn't, we're not. My blog, I am queen here. Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out. I am beyond sick of talking to you. I have anon comments on so that people who can't make a DW account can still join the conversation, not so people can shit all over the page.
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Date: 2011-03-06 05:49 pm (UTC)